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# general
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Was the downstream cluster created from Rancher UI or imported into Rancher ?
l
Created with the API, and then docker commands were run on instances to join and register with the cluster
m
There is no way to transfer between Rancher Servers. You can "import" the old cluster into the new, but you will lose a lot of management abilities. I've pretty much always gone the route of simply building a new cluster and transferring the workloads.
l
That's where I am now Cody. I was able to get it imported but the management is gone. There must be a way to enable it again. All of the pods that need to be there are there...
m
From my understanding, there is no way to enable it again. The RMC expects to be involved in the creation of the cluster; else, it can never actually take "ownership" of it and fully manage it. I think there's a Github issue someplace floating around complaining about this from a few years past 😧
l
Yes, there is. (the github issue) I'm just trying to find some way around re-deploying all of my downstream clusters. Perhaps a tool like Velero. It's interesting that this hasn't been a big enough issue to warrant the feature. Disaster recovery can't always assume the same instances are there.