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# harvestera
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red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 12:48 AMHi @busy-photographer-15014! If you want to access the “embedded” Rancher inside Harvester, please try this link <https//h/dashboard/c/local/explorer|https//<vip>/dashboard/c/local/explorer>
red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 12:49 AMFor more details, please refer to https://docs.harvesterhci.io/v1.1/troubleshooting/harvester/#access-embedded-rancher-and-longhorn-dashboards
red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 12:51 AMBut that embedded Rancher is for debugging and validation purposes only. If you want to run container workloads, it’s still better to import the Harvester cluster with a second Rancher Manager and then create guest clusters.
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busy-photographer-15014
08/02/2023, 12:53 AMThank's @red-king-19196! If i create apps (helm charts) into rke in layer of virtual machines? This good think or necessary create other Rancher cluster?
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red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 1:27 AMYes, if you have the guest cluster up and running, you can create apps via the external Rancher Manager, which manages both the underlying Harvester and guest clusters. It’s possible to not involve an external Rancher Manager. You can spin up a VM on Harvester and install the Rancher Manager to achieve that. After that, import the Harvester cluster to that Rancher Manager. We still recommend having an external Rancher Manager do all those things for the production environment.
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busy-photographer-15014
08/02/2023, 2:21 AMOk @red-king-19196, but the Rancher documentation only recommends installing it on a standalone k8s cluster (which is a waste of resources in my view). On a virtual machine on harverster, I couldn't find any methods other than via docker, which is also not recommended. Do you have any material that can help me?
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red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 2:22 AMIt depends on the purpose of your deployment: is it a test drive or a prod env?
red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 2:24 AMIf you really want the Rancher Manager to be highly-available, I still recommend you to go with the Rancher doc, that is, to have a standalone k8s cluster that runs Rancher Manager; otherwise, a Docker version of Rancher Manager is good enough. I personally use this method to develop and test Rancher integration on Harvester 🙂
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busy-photographer-15014
08/02/2023, 2:27 AMPerfect @red-king-19196 Thank's from help!!!
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red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 2:27 AMAnd the other method I mentioned above is to spin up some VMs on Harvester and then install the RKE2 and Rancher Manager manually. Finally, import the Harvester to the Rancher Manager that runs on top of the Harvester.
red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 2:28 AMSo the steps are pretty much the same as described here
red-king-19196
08/02/2023, 2:29 AMIf you got any other questions, please tell us and we can look into them 🙌
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