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Hey @creamy-pencil-82913, sorry for the late reply. Perhaps I should back up and ask: in the event of a big outage, where rancher + app deployment all goes down, is the thought pattern to use rancher backup to restore rancher and have other automated means (argo) or helm re-deploy the downstream apps?

The backup-restore operator needs to be installed in the local cluster, and only backs up the Rancher app

Are charts pre-provided by rancher also part of that rancher backup? I'm looking at the docs again and it talks about this:

the version of the new setup should be the same as the one where the backup is made. The Kubernetes version should also be considered when restoring a backup

and I guess I can see a situation where we're not being mindful of what k8s version we're and needing this information somewhere? Is the simple answer just note it down on a wiki or jira somewhere?