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Here are the version I'm using • Rancher v2.7.1 • Helm v2.16.8-rancher2 • Machine v0.15.0-rancher95
To "kick" the deleting process I have to remove the finalizers from the 
machines
resource which is a no go for me
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creationTimestamp: "2023-03-14T09:35:13Z"
  deletionGracePeriodSeconds: 0
  deletionTimestamp: "2023-03-14T13:05:56Z"
  finalizers:
  - <http://machine.cluster.x-k8s.io|machine.cluster.x-k8s.io>
Any help would be very welcome, I'm stuck with this issue since a while ! Thanks
b
The finalizer you are showing there is the cluster API finalizer. If you don't want to remove the finalizer, you can annotate the machine object. That will cause the machine to go back through the controllers and the cluster API controllers should remove the finalizer.
s
Hum interesting ! thanks, could you provide me an example of annotation please ?
b
It doesn't matter what the annotation is. There are likely already annotations on the machine object, you can just add an additional one.
s
here is my current YAML
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apiVersion: <http://cluster.x-k8s.io/v1beta1|cluster.x-k8s.io/v1beta1>
kind: Machine
metadata:
  annotations:
    <http://machine.cluster.x-k8s.io/exclude-node-draining|machine.cluster.x-k8s.io/exclude-node-draining>: 'true'
  creationTimestamp: '2023-03-14T09:35:13Z'
  deletionGracePeriodSeconds: 0
  deletionTimestamp: '2023-03-14T13:05:56Z'
  finalizers:
    - <http://machine.cluster.x-k8s.io|machine.cluster.x-k8s.io>
This happens almost on each cluster lifecycle which is really annoying. I need to find a solution in a programatic way and not just a workaround and I can not modify the machine resource code base
b
I would expect there to be a few more annotations on the object. For my own understanding, is this a "custom cluster" or a "provisioned cluster"?
s
this is a custom cluster created with the help of the Outscale node driver
b
So you created the VMs with that driver and then ran a command provided by Rancher on them? Or you use that docker-machine driver in Rancher?
s
I use this docker machine driver in Rancher and I create the cluster with the help of an helm chart https://github.com/outscale/osc-k8s-rancher/tree/main/osc-rke2-cluster-template/charts
b
OK. That sounds like a provisioned cluster to me, using a custom docker-machine driver.
s
yes indeed
b
Are you deleting the VMs outside of Rancher and this is causing them to get stuck in this way? Or are you deleting the nodes from Rancher?
s
I deleting the cluster by uninstalling the helm chart
If I remove the VM phiscally Rancher lost the track etheir
Should I try to remove the cluster from Rancher as a test ?
b
Deleting the helm chart should be equivalent to deleting the cluster from Rancher.
s
ok, good to know !
b
Does the machine object have an 
ownerReference
on it?
s
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ownerReferences:
    - apiVersion: <http://cluster.x-k8s.io/v1beta1|cluster.x-k8s.io/v1beta1>
      blockOwnerDeletion: true
      controller: true
      kind: MachineSet
      name: fhn-dev-rancher-dev-zone-dev1-control-b5dfbbf5d
      uid: 53e6daeb-0ff2-429f-ac79-3373a8c3b17e
b
OK. That appears normal. I would open an issue on GitHub describing the problem you are having. If it is easily reproducible for you, provide all the steps.
s
Ok I'm going to do that ! Thanks a lot for your time & help !
b
Yeah, no problem. And good luck! Some of these custom docker-machine drivers can be tricky.
s
It seems !
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