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adamant-kite-43734
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agreeable-oil-87482
03/14/2023, 10:39 AMThe docker install method is not recommended for production environments. For a production setup, Rancher will reside on its own k8s cluster.
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limited-elephant-16797
03/14/2023, 12:09 PMWhat alternative do you recommend for setting up production clusters using Rancher? @agreeable-oil-87482
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limited-elephant-16797
03/14/2023, 12:32 PMThanks 👍
limited-elephant-16797
03/14/2023, 4:49 PMAlso, the only purpose I am using Rancher for is to create an on-prem K8S cluster on Vsphere. I don't have any existing HA K8S cluster there to host Rancher itself, that's why the first choice was Docker on a single node. Any alternative way you recommend for this use-case to set up an on-prem cluster on Vsphere? @agreeable-oil-87482
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agreeable-oil-87482
03/14/2023, 5:03 PMYou could create an rke2/k3s cluster directly on vm's and then install Rancher on it
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limited-elephant-16797
03/14/2023, 5:07 PMThanks for the prompt response David, but if the k3s VM itself fails, Will it impact the configured Vsphere K8S cluster and deployments on it? Also, how to access the management UI again in such a case, any fallback approach?
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agreeable-oil-87482
03/14/2023, 5:23 PMYou would have a multi node cluster for redundancy and also leverage the backup operator to restore Rancher to a new cluster if required.
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limited-elephant-16797
03/14/2023, 5:42 PMYes, that's also something I was exploring around. Thanks a lot for your valuable suggestions.
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